Jumping to conclusions about the quality of Indian writers and essay help

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Hello everyone,
I just thought that I will bring up a point which can be seen in so many posts.

I agree that academic writing sites are scams to a high percentage but people are unnecessarily bringing race into the discussions. I am an Indian and I do not agree that Americans write better English then Indians, every time. If that is true, books written by Indians in English would not have so many Booker prizes competing against so-called natural speaking English writers.
India as everyone knows (even America) was enslaved by Britain.One of the few rare advantages of this colonial policy is that everyone understands English in India.English is somewhat like a common language in India.
It is indeed wrong for websites to tell customers that their writer's are only from x, y z countries and then recruit writers on a global basis. But people should realize that writers when they apply to such websites are not told of this.

This entire concept of essay and dissertation help is unethical. People are supposed to do their lessons themselves, aren't they? I will suggest that students from US, UK and Australia start doing their academic exercises by themselves that these scam sites will automatically stop. This is because there would not be any market. 90% of orders requesting help for money is from these countries.
I apologize to the students from US, UK and Australia who are honest and do their work themselves if the above feels derogatory to them. My comments are only addressed to those student who accuse others of violation of ethics in a process which itself is unethical.
This is really a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black.

Regards

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It's not about nationality. "Understanding" English isn't necessarily the same thing as sounding natural speaking or writing in English. You develop a dialect or an accent and you use idiomatic expressions that may not be "wrong" but that simply do not sound the same to Americans as native English speakers. If it didn't sound different to us, nobody would care any more than we care what color a writer's hair is. I'm going to bold everything that sounds different to us and I'm not even going to bother with outright mistakes or missing words that have nothing to do with the 1st/2nd language issue:

serubhai123:

I just thought that I will bring up a point which can be seen in so many posts.

I agree that academic writing sites are scams to a high percentage but people are unnecessarily bringing race into the discussions. I am an Indian and I do not agree that Americans write better English then Indians, every time. If that is true, books written by Indians in English would not have so many Booker prizes competing against so-called natural speaking English writers.
India as everyone knows (even America) was enslaved by Britain.One of the few rare advantages of this colonial policy is that everyone understands English in India.English is somewhat like a common language in India.
It is indeed wrong for websites to tell customers that their writer's are only from x, y z countries and then recruit writers on a global basis. But people should realize that writers when they apply to such websites are not told of this.

This entire concept of essay and dissertation help is unethical. People are supposed to do their lessons themselves, aren't they? I will suggest that students from US, UK and Australia start doing their academic exercises by themselves that these scam sites will automatically stop. This is because there would not be any market. 90% of orders requesting help for money is from these countries.
I apologize to the students from US, UK and Australia who are honest and do their work themselves if the above feels derogatory to them. My comments are only addressed to those student who accuse others of violation of ethics in a process which itself is unethical.
This is really a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black.

When we hear that type of English usage in person, the first thing we ask is "So, where are you from?" We may even compliment you on your English, but you don't sound like us. You sound like a foreigner who speaks English. Again, this does not mean that you don't speak English or that we don't understand everything that you said. It simply means we can tell that you're not a native English speaker and that American customers do care about that.

Twig:

Your assumptions are totally misleading. You do not understand well why students seek for writing help.

If this is a joke, it's funny. If this isn't a joke, it's another example of how non-native speakers sound different.

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FreelanceWriter:

If this is a joke, it's funny.

Yes.

FreelanceWriter:

Does that help you understand at all?

No.

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Twig:

Also, my point was very clear: Serubhai123 does not comprehend the reason why students do not write their own papers, and that they are supposed to use those papers as models. It does not concern British English and American customers.

And how is it that you or anybody else gets to decide what customers care about and whether they can decide for themselves that they prefer any written work they purchase to be written in their own dialect and preferred linguistic style?

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Hi Meo,
This post was not meant for you. Why don't you return to what Paki's do best-make bombs and kill people. I never said that everyone in India is Shakespeare. I said that everybody, more or less, understands English. I don't need any lessons from you buddy. I teach you lessons as you have already found out twice, to your cost.

The people here are so biased that writing in polite language is of no use. I have said that I am from India. I have not pretended to be anything else. You can disagree with me of course, but you can do it politely can't you ?. My entire post is analyzed by Twig to show that I do not write proper English. Did I say I do? Did I say that I am a native speaking English person? Did I even say that I am a writer?

You guys here are more suited to Meo's company here and his Lashkae-e-toiba's.
Bye for ever. I apologize if I have hurt the sentiments of the demented minds here.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Regards

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Bye. Let me try to phrase this in a way that you will understand:

Take precaution so as to not allow the portal to be striking your hindparts.

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Some essays are country specific such as law and as such hiring an indian based writer would be a bit crazy dont you think

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How can you expect a top class essay from someone whose first language isn't even English? It just would not make sense to hire an Indian writer. There is a reason why legitimate companies clearly state "native writers only". There is also a reason why the UK does not hire people from abroad to fill their teaching positions.

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Heremeout:

As you can read from your statement, it is almost obvious that Americans are better than Indians when it comes to writing. I gauze, this has nothing to do with racism!

You do realize the person you quoted is Indian, right? And that "gauze" is not the same as "guess"? And that the comma in your second sentence shouldn't be there? and that the phase "almost obvious" is all but meaningless?

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Heremeout:

When beginning a sentence after question mark, remember to capitalize the initial letter to avoid breaking the rules.

That's two typos you've caught to several dozen repeated errors I've caught.

Heremeout:

is a perfect written English.

The "a" shouldn't be there.

Heremeout:

confusing

confusion

Heremeout:

"gauze" and "guess"

That's the kind of mistake that is bound to happen in the papers you write because you simply aren't fully fluent.

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Lolz! I see the fight is getting rough. No blood please.

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serubhai123	Observer	Aug 18, 11, 04:31AM \| #1
Joined: Aug 18, 11 Threads: 1 Posts: 2	Hello everyone, I just thought that I will bring up a point which can be seen in so many posts. I agree that academic writing sites are scams to a high percentage but people are unnecessarily bringing race into the discussions. I am an Indian and I do not agree that Americans write better English then Indians, every time. If that is true, books written by Indians in English would not have so many Booker prizes competing against so-called natural speaking English writers. India as everyone knows (even America) was enslaved by Britain.One of the few rare advantages of this colonial policy is that everyone understands English in India.English is somewhat like a common language in India. It is indeed wrong for websites to tell customers that their writer's are only from x, y z countries and then recruit writers on a global basis. But people should realize that writers when they apply to such websites are not told of this. This entire concept of essay and dissertation help is unethical. People are supposed to do their lessons themselves, aren't they? I will suggest that students from US, UK and Australia start doing their academic exercises by themselves that these scam sites will automatically stop. This is because there would not be any market. 90% of orders requesting help for money is from these countries. I apologize to the students from US, UK and Australia who are honest and do their work themselves if the above feels derogatory to them. My comments are only addressed to those student who accuse others of violation of ethics in a process which itself is unethical. This is really a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black. Regards

Twig		Aug 18, 11, 08:06AM \| #2
Joined: May 10, 11 Threads: 2 Posts: 140	Your assumptions are totally misleading. You do not understand well why students seek for writing help.

FreelanceWriter	Writer	Edited by: FreelanceWriter Aug 18, 11, 09:27AM \| #3
Joined: Oct 8, 08 Threads: 3 Posts: 656	It's not about nationality. "Understanding" English isn't necessarily the same thing as sounding natural speaking or writing in English. You develop a dialect or an accent and you use idiomatic expressions that may not be "wrong" but that simply do not sound the same to Americans as native English speakers. If it didn't sound different to us, nobody would care any more than we care what color a writer's hair is. I'm going to bold everything that sounds different to us and I'm not even going to bother with outright mistakes or missing words that have nothing to do with the 1st/2nd language issue: serubhai123: I just thought that I will bring up a point which can be seen in so many posts. I agree that academic writing sites are scams to a high percentage but people are unnecessarily bringing race into the discussions. I am an Indian and I do not agree that Americans write better English then Indians, every time. If that is true, books written by Indians in English would not have so many Booker prizes competing against so-called natural speaking English writers. India as everyone knows (even America) was enslaved by Britain.One of the few rare advantages of this colonial policy is that everyone understands English in India.English is somewhat like a common language in India. It is indeed wrong for websites to tell customers that their writer's are only from x, y z countries and then recruit writers on a global basis. But people should realize that writers when they apply to such websites are not told of this. This entire concept of essay and dissertation help is unethical. People are supposed to do their lessons themselves, aren't they? I will suggest that students from US, UK and Australia start doing their academic exercises by themselves that these scam sites will automatically stop. This is because there would not be any market. 90% of orders requesting help for money is from these countries. I apologize to the students from US, UK and Australia who are honest and do their work themselves if the above feels derogatory to them. My comments are only addressed to those student who accuse others of violation of ethics in a process which itself is unethical. This is really a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black. When we hear that type of English usage in person, the first thing we ask is "So, where are you from?" We may even compliment you on your English, but you don't sound like us. You sound like a foreigner who speaks English. Again, this does not mean that you don't speak English or that we don't understand everything that you said. It simply means we can tell that you're not a native English speaker and that American customers do care about that. Twig: Your assumptions are totally misleading. You do not understand well why students seek for writing help. If this is a joke, it's funny. If this isn't a joke, it's another example of how non-native speakers sound different.

FreelanceWriter	Writer	Aug 18, 11, 11:03AM \| #4
Joined: Oct 8, 08 Threads: 3 Posts: 656	Furthermore, if you still don't understand, consider that most American customers don't want British English (and vice-versa even more so) and it's not because Americans don't think Brits "understand" or can't converse in English. There are always perceptible differences and it's those differences that customers don't want in their writing. Those differences become even more obvious when English is a 2nd language on top of it. Does that help you understand at all?

Twig		Edited by: Twig Aug 18, 11, 12:04PM \| #5
Joined: May 10, 11 Threads: 2 Posts: 140	FreelanceWriter: If this is a joke, it's funny. Yes. FreelanceWriter: Does that help you understand at all? No.

Twig		Edited by: Twig Aug 18, 11, 12:29PM \| #6
Joined: May 10, 11 Threads: 2 Posts: 140	FreelanceWriter: Furthermore, if you still don't understand, consider that most American customers don't want British English (and vice-versa even more so) and it's not because Americans don't think Brits "understand" or can't converse in English. There are always perceptible differences and it's those differences that customers don't want in their writing. Those differences become even more obvious when English is a 2nd language on top of it.Does that help you understand at all? Also, my point was very clear: Serubhai123 does not comprehend the reason why students do not write their own papers, and that they are supposed to use those papers as models. It does not concern British English and American customers.

FreelanceWriter	Writer	Edited by: FreelanceWriter Aug 18, 11, 12:56PM \| #7
Joined: Oct 8, 08 Threads: 3 Posts: 656	Twig: Also, my point was very clear: Serubhai123 does not comprehend the reason why students do not write their own papers, and that they are supposed to use those papers as models. It does not concern British English and American customers. And how is it that you or anybody else gets to decide what customers care about and whether they can decide for themselves that they prefer any written work they purchase to be written in their own dialect and preferred linguistic style?

MeoKhan	Writer	Aug 18, 11, 02:34PM \| #8
Joined: Jan 9, 11 Threads: 4 Posts: 1,117	FreelanceWriter, your points are valid. The customers have the right to make their own choices. From a neighboring country of India, I'd also like to inform you that SeruBhai123 has made childishly sweeping claims. He didn't even care to look at the figures of English speaking population given in INDIAN CENSUS 2003 (pp. 8-10). It is 11.38%. It's interesting to note that these figures caused much scholarly disagreement even in India. I'd just give you a snapshot of a debate (going on among Indian linguists). People who could write their names in English (signature), read English alphabets were counted as English speaking population. Renowned Indian linguists (such as Agnihotri) have taken a strong position against these figures. Reading their argument reveals the actual picture. Hindi, the kind of national language in India, is severely opposed by huge populations within India. Reason are countless. Once again, even speakers of Hindi are as few as 180 million (again controversial). ---- Msg for SeruBhai123: Please read SOMETHING before making childish claims.

serubhai123	Observer	Aug 18, 11, 10:59PM \| #9
Joined: Aug 18, 11 Threads: 1 Posts: 2	Hi Meo, This post was not meant for you. Why don't you return to what Paki's do best-make bombs and kill people. I never said that everyone in India is Shakespeare. I said that everybody, more or less, understands English. I don't need any lessons from you buddy. I teach you lessons as you have already found out twice, to your cost. The people here are so biased that writing in polite language is of no use. I have said that I am from India. I have not pretended to be anything else. You can disagree with me of course, but you can do it politely can't you ?. My entire post is analyzed by Twig to show that I do not write proper English. Did I say I do? Did I say that I am a native speaking English person? Did I even say that I am a writer? You guys here are more suited to Meo's company here and his Lashkae-e-toiba's. Bye for ever. I apologize if I have hurt the sentiments of the demented minds here. Good riddance to bad rubbish. Regards

MeoKhan	Writer	Aug 19, 11, 12:07AM \| #10
Joined: Jan 9, 11 Threads: 4 Posts: 1,117	serubhai123: This post was not meant for you The post is meant for every member of this forum. serubhai123: I said that everybody, more or less, understands English No, you didn't say that. You said: serubhai123: that everyone understands English in India.English is somewhat like a common language in India. serubhai123: so biased that writing in polite language is of no use I just pointed out your hugely flawed statistical misrepresentation (lies). serubhai123: My entire post is analyzed by Twig No, it was not Twig. It was FreelanceWriter who did so. serubhai123: you can do it politely can't you ? I am never polite to liars, let alone BIG liars like you. serubhai123: Did I even say that I am a writer? It doesn't mean you have the freedom to lie blatantly. serubhai123: if I have hurt the sentiments No, you didn't. So, don't pretend. The point is you called yourself an observer; however, your observation is nowhere to be seen. You're irritated by the fact that you were knocked out just upfront.

FreelanceWriter	Writer	Edited by: FreelanceWriter Aug 19, 11, 01:12AM \| #11
Joined: Oct 8, 08 Threads: 3 Posts: 656	Bye. Let me try to phrase this in a way that you will understand: Take precaution so as to not allow the portal to be striking your hindparts.

Twig		Edited by: Twig Aug 19, 11, 07:21AM \| #12
Joined: May 10, 11 Threads: 2 Posts: 140	serubhai123: Why don't you return to what Paki's do best-make bombs and kill people. It is crucial to understand that Terrorism is an international threat. It is not just a thorny issue in Pakistan. I also don't think all Pakistanis are good at making bombs with the main aim of assassinating people.

missheart		Sep 18, 11, 06:58PM \| #13
Joined: Sep 18, 11 Posts: 5	Some essays are country specific such as law and as such hiring an indian based writer would be a bit crazy dont you think

WRT	Company Representative	Sep 22, 11, 05:23PM \| #14
Joined: Sep 29, 09 Threads: 14 Posts: 1,850	There is a world of difference between jumping to conclusions and fact-based knowledge. We made the mistake of giving Indian writers a fair shake. Apart from their highly archaic English, sentence structures which defy logic and grammar use which violates almost every rule there is, most have a huge chip on their shoulders. Point out a mistake and you are a racist! Ask for a rewrite and you are trying to scam them; as for the cultural differences ... communication breakdown every time. Experience - at $5 per page, essaywriters is overpaying its Indian writers.

Lornamac	Student	Oct 5, 11, 09:59PM \| #15
Joined: Oct 5, 11 Posts: 7	How can you expect a top class essay from someone whose first language isn't even English? It just would not make sense to hire an Indian writer. There is a reason why legitimate companies clearly state "native writers only". There is also a reason why the UK does not hire people from abroad to fill their teaching positions.

Heremeout	Writer	Oct 6, 11, 12:39AM \| #16
Joined: Sep 29, 11 Threads: 10 Posts: 249	serubhai123: Americans write better English "then" Indians As you can read from your statement, it is almost obvious that Americans are better than Indians when it comes to writing. I gauze, this has nothing to do with racism!

pheelyks	Writer	Oct 6, 11, 12:42AM \| #17
Joined: Jan 20, 09 Threads: 8 Posts: 3,796	Heremeout: As you can read from your statement, it is almost obvious that Americans are better than Indians when it comes to writing. I gauze, this has nothing to do with racism! You do realize the person you quoted is Indian, right? And that "gauze" is not the same as "guess"? And that the comma in your second sentence shouldn't be there? and that the phase "almost obvious" is all but meaningless?

Heremeout	Writer	Edited by: Heremeout Oct 6, 11, 03:05AM \| #18
Joined: Sep 29, 11 Threads: 10 Posts: 249	pheelyks: You do realize the person you quoted is Indian, right? And that "gauze" is not the same as "guess"? And that the comma in your second sentence shouldn't be there? and that the phase "almost obvious" is all but meaningless? When beginning a sentence after question mark, remember to capitalize the initial letter to avoid breaking the rules. As for those with poor understanding like you, it`s worthless explaining the fact that "almost obvious" is a perfect written English. Sorry for the confusing between "gauze" and "guess". Correction accepted.

pheelyks	Writer	Oct 6, 11, 03:13AM \| #19
Joined: Jan 20, 09 Threads: 8 Posts: 3,796	Heremeout: When beginning a sentence after question mark, remember to capitalize the initial letter to avoid breaking the rules. That's two typos you've caught to several dozen repeated errors I've caught. Heremeout: is a perfect written English. The "a" shouldn't be there. Heremeout: confusing confusion Heremeout: "gauze" and "guess" That's the kind of mistake that is bound to happen in the papers you write because you simply aren't fully fluent.

Heremeout	Writer	Edited by: Heremeout Oct 6, 11, 03:19AM \| #20
Joined: Sep 29, 11 Threads: 10 Posts: 249	No need to celebrate, just because of my very rare and always insignificant errors . I will soon catch you, and I swear you will pay severely for your grammar mistakes.

MeoKhan	Writer	Oct 6, 11, 06:29AM \| #21
Joined: Jan 9, 11 Threads: 4 Posts: 1,117	Lolz! I see the fight is getting rough. No blood please.

WRT	Company Representative	Oct 12, 11, 06:38AM \| #22
Joined: Sep 29, 09 Threads: 14 Posts: 1,850	WRT: There is a world of difference between jumping to conclusions and fact-based knowledge. We made the mistake of giving Indian writers a fair shake. Apart from their highly archaic English, sentence structures which defy logic and grammar use which violates almost every rule there is, most have a huge chip on their shoulders. Point out a mistake and you are a racist! Ask for a rewrite and you are trying to scam them; as for the cultural differences ... communication breakdown every time.Experience - at $5 per page, essaywriters is overpaying its Indian writers.