| Helpful Joe |
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Aug 6, 09, 01:10AM
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Undertow2, Perhaps that means you surf in Rio, Brazil, worst undertow I have ever experienced, and a friend of mine died there as a result.
First, Humble, How do you do that quote stuff. When I do it, there is no highlighting.
Second, I and everyone I know Always WRITES OUR OWN WORK AND WE DO OUR OWN RESEARCH.
Third, if you have ever read anything about what is considered plagiarism then you know the definition can be as narrow as quoting "ask not what your country can do for you, but ask what you can do for your country" without referencing JFK, or as broad as ALL PARAPHRASING OF SOMEONE ELSE'S IDEA without referencing that work, to plagiarizing YOURSELF. I can give you references from the narrow to the broad, but you can find most of it on turnitin.com. It is an interesting read.
Clearly, when anyone and everyone writes their own work or research, they think it is original, done for the first time in their own way, but generally it is not. What is needed is to have a tool that can check your work, and tell you when you have missed a reference for an idea or have inadvertently quoted someone without realizing it, simply because THEY SAID IT FIRST. Most often ethical people don't even know they are repeating someone. For example "if I had more time, I would write a shorter letter" is most often attributed to Ben Franklin, but in actuality, if you research that phrase, you find that the correct reference is not Ben nor Samuel Johnson, as so many English teachers think, but actually in my research in defense of of a friend accused of plagiarizing it:
Although the quote "If I had more time I would
> >write a shorter letter" has been attributed to
> >many people, Samuel Johnson (September 18,1709
> >December 13, 1784) was not one of them, at least not that I could find.
> >
> >I have found it attributed to Robert Sayre
> >(18-Aug-1924 still living, US Ambassador to
> >Brazil, 1978-81), Issac Asimov (January 2, 1920
> >April 6, 1992), Mark Twain (November 30, 1835
> >April 21, 1910), Ben Franklin (January 17, 1706
> >April 17, 1790), Voltaire (1694-1778), Blaise
> >Pascal (June 19, 1623August 19, 1662), and
> >Marcus Tullius Cicero (January 3, 106 BC December 7, 43 BC).
> >
> >However the only direct publication of this quote
> >that I can find is in Blaise Pascal's 18-letter
> >series that was published between 1656 and 1657
> >under the pseudonym Louis de Montalte, and it incensed King Louis XIV.
> >http://www.answers.com/topic/blaise-pascal
> >
> >Pascal's actual Letter XVI December 4, 1656
> >translated by Thomas M'Crie
> >http://www.sacred-texts.com/phi/pascal/prov.txt
> >"The present letter is a very long
> >one, simply because I had no leisure to make it shorter"
> >
> >Original French:
> >Blaise Pascal said, "Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus
> >longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la
> >faire plus courte "I haven't made this [letter]
> >longer because I haven't had the time to make it shorter."
> >http://wordcraft.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/332607094/m/3131019313
> >
> >Voltaire may have used the quote but he certainly
> >did not originate it, since " Voltaire called the
> >Letters [Pascal's] "the best-written book that has yet appeared in France."
> >http://www.answers.com/topic/blaise-pascal
> >
> >So unless someone can find a written document
> >from Cicero from 106 BC to 43 BC, I think Pascal
> >is the one that deserves the credit.
So you see fellows and ladies, when you really get into plagiarism and your database includes all the written work since the beginning of time, you find that RARELY is there any original work, and one must ethically REFERENCE properly. The plagiarism checkers are not designed to help people steal credit for essays they have not written or research they did not do, they are designed to HELP ETHICAL PEOPLE THAT DO THEIR OWN WORK, credit the work of people before them that their current ideas are built upon, whether they could have really seen that work or not.
In actuality, true definition of Plagiarism is copying someone's idea or work, but implied is that YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN IT TO COPY IT. If you did know it existed, then you did not plagiarize. However proving a negative is impossible. Most honest people will be found to have inadvertently plagiarized because they may have copied someone's work through a surrogate, because everything we learn IS taught by people that have all regurgitated books and previous work written, or likely too, we as humans are bound to say or write things identically to someone who has said it before in our several thousand year written history.
Humble,
"1-Plagiarism detector I talked about is different from Jeffery'
Actually it does not appear to be different, please see = http://www.essayscam.org/Forum/12/best-tool-plagiarism-checking-995/#msg192 17 Or plug in that site into any whois search engine and you find it goes back to the servers in Ukraine.
This is for the one you mentioned = http://plagiarism-detector.com/
I do not know about Eve
"2-Even if the program is installed on your system, it can send the documents to a remote server." Is this about Eve?
Certainly I realize that is true, which is why I would like to find one that WORKS on one's own computer checking one's original work against the external databases and Internet, to be sure I have control over my work, and I have given proper credit to others whose work I may have never seen or know about.
Think of it this way, Copyright infringement in music is copying 12 notes. Yet with the millions of songs out there, how can any composer know if they have copied 12 notes somewhere in their music. Mathematically it is likely to occur, worse, they will not realize they have heard the song somewhere in their life, incorporated into their subconscious, and now in the depth of musical genius, they think that it has come forth as original music, when in actuallity it has not. Worse it might be 12 notes, THEY really did think up on their own, but someone else HUMAN did it already long before them and published it. Clearly it is not copying if they never heard it, but since the original author has no way to know that, it is assumed they have heard it and have copied it. Since we are all human, growing up in similar cultures, languages, thought, written work and anything we create is likely either be built on other people's work, or perhaps thought up by someone we are completely unaware of or had the opportunity to experience when we thought it up ourselves.
Example, I created an invention, only to find out when I went to investors, a 2 month search of the industry found someone else had created it and patented it 10 years earlier. I had never seen that work, but yet there it was.
So in the final analysis, what a plagiarism checker is supposed to do is help us be ethical BEFORE THE FACT by telling us when we HAVE NOT referenced other people's work properly, whether we have seen it or not, somewhere in our written human history. Yet most often it is used AFTER the fact to try to punish people that genuinely have done their own work, but somehow have not referenced work written somewhere on this planet some time before, that they likely have never seen. Clearly, I am not talking about the guilty that intentionally plagiarize but try to disguise their work, since they should be caught. But the innocent should not be penalized for not knowing every written word that is presented in ever book, library, or Internet website, that exists, but yet they have not seen, or worse, forgetting to reference a work they forgot they read, but had no intention of plagiarizing, because they do not have a running footnoter in their brain.
So is there a Plagiarism Checker that works on one's computer checking against the growing external databases and Internet, and does not upload the file to any external source? similar to the way patent searches work. Clearly when you are trying to patent an item, you do NOT want to upload your work anywhere to have it checked. You would like to keep your work secret, and check the external databases FIRST, before presenting your work for patent.
Regards,
Helpful Joe
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Aug 6, 09, 01:36AM
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To quote highlight the text and hit 'quote' next to 'reply' at the bottom of the post.
Helpful Joe: So is there a Plagiarism Checker that works on one's computer checking against the growing external databases and Internet, and does not upload the file to any external source? similar to the way patent searches work.
Not in my knowledge.
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Aug 6, 09, 09:29AM
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anyone has access to turnitin.com?
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| undertow2 |
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Aug 6, 09, 12:58PM
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Helpful Joe: Undertow2, Perhaps that means you surf in Rio, Brazil, worst undertow I have ever experienced, and a friend of mine died there as a result.
A friend of mine once died in a mudslide.
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| JAG1975 |
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Edited by: JAG1975 Aug 18, 09, 02:52AM
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The best tool is to avoid over citing and to analyze a subject. Turnitin.com may provide citing feedback, but it is not going to help you to properly cite a paper. Many writers tend to over cite, which causes them to get into trouble. As a freelance writer, I have never been confronted about plagiarism because I know what instructors require of students.
Think of plagiarism as copy and pasting from the net, sneaking in a quote from a book, turning in a past paper you wrote, improperly citing in APA, MLA, and the worst mistake of all, some students assume that using page numbers are good enough to protect them from plagiarism. i.e. On page 213, the author says this...... That is not the proper way to cite, especially in a a book review.
For APA papers, a student should also write in the third person. Use entity as a way to avoid first person narrative. Cite with Student (2009) notes that "....." (p. 213). Another way "is to use" (Student, 2009, p. 213). Paraphrasing can go as follows: Student (2009) mentions that he is struggling to find a good strategy to prevent plagiarism. Properly analyzing work requires ample reading and further understanding of the subject matter (Student, 2009). If you want to list some numbered points are in found in the book, use the following strategy. Student (2009) shared that medical reform is an issue that President Clinton attempted to present - to a Democrat majority House - as a measure to:
1)
2)
3)
4) (p. 415).
Try to mix of the citing techniques so you don't use too much direct quoting. Use quotes to guide your argument. Avoid incorporating quotes to fill up space. Think of a quotes like an personal argument and disagreements you have with others. When another person makes a reference, you respond to them. Well, if you use a quote from an author, respond to it using a personal perception.
The only different between MLA and APA is that MLA uses the author and the page number. No commas after the author's last name. Whenever bringing up the author's name in-text, make sure to use their entire name for first time, then you can just use last name the next time around.
Even though I have extensive experience with APA and MLA, I still my writer's handbook to make sure that everything is accurate. Doctors and nurses do the same with the PDR, DSM, and the nurse's drug handbook. Students shouldn't fear plagiarism is they make sure to cite everything and avoid over citing. The only software that I know of, one in which scans for plagiarism is turnitin.com. I have never had any complaints for plagiarism. I have written many papers for PHD clients that have strict teachers that mention plagiarism and threaten students. In the end, I receive exceptional grades for them.
Check out my blogspot website, which I created to help out writers. For the past for years, I have worked for a writing company as a freelance writer; produced hundreds of projects for many diverse students. I have a strong college background as well.
Check out my blogspot website. Leave comments and post some questions. I will do my best to address them. Thank you. Good luck.
magicwriter.blogspot.com
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Aug 18, 09, 05:56AM
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@^
Cool ad. ^_^ Caveat emptor!!! :D
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Aug 27, 09, 10:07PM
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HI, you seem as if you have alot of knowledge. Do you know if I use this student version of turnitin.com, and my professor wants to check my paper when I turn it in that it may turn out to be 100% or some percentage plaguarized because I used it. Yes or no.
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| OxbridgeResearchers |
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Aug 28, 09, 02:32AM
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No. Writecheck.turnitin does not store the work scanned on the repository. Even when using turnitin itself, you may select DO NOT STORE. So, the answer is NO ... it is completely safe.
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| Helpful Joe |
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Sep 8, 09, 12:14PM
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You have got to be kidding. OF COURSE THEY STORE AND KEEP FOREVER YOUR WORK, and pay you nothing for making money off of your work. Needless to say, there is also a risk they COULD abuse your work, and ultimately get you in trouble.
HAS ANYONE ACTUALLY READ THE TERMS OF USE you must agree to before you use writecheck.turnitin.com?
What they say they do, and what they have you agree to allow them to do with your work, are two very opposite items.
All you can do is hope they do what they say on their site, and not what their Terms of Use says they can do.
Nothing is safe, apparently. If writecheck was what it says it is, there would be no need for such an onerous agreement, since THEY ARE NOT SUPPOSED OxbridgeResearchers: No. Writecheck.turnitin does not store the work scanned on the repository. Even when using turnitin itself, you may select DO NOT STORE. So, the answer is NO ... it is completely safe.
TO STORE OR ARCHIVE ANYTHING YOU SUBMIT.
You pays your money and you takes your choice.
The one thing that SHOULD NOT happen is turnitin showing your submission to writecheck as plagiarized when you or anyone else uses turnitin to check it.
READ PLEASE
WriteCheck™ User Agreement
https://writecheck.turnitin.com/pricing_signup.asp
"License to Use Papers Submitted. With regard to papers submitted to the Site, You hereby grant iParadigms a non-exclusive, royalty-free, perpetual, world-wide, irrevocable license to reproduce, transmit, display, disclose, archive and otherwise use in connection with the Services any paper You submit to the Site. Please note that papers submitted to the Site are not read or reviewed by any individuals, but rather are only analyzed using the Service."
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Sep 8, 09, 01:19PM
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I asked - by unchecking, we actually opt out of that condition ...
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Apr 18, 10, 12:11PM
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I would like to share our online plagiarism detection tool: www.academicplagiarism.com and briefly describe what we offer.
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| WritersBeware |
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Edited by: WritersBeware Apr 18, 10, 12:52PM
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Rachid Eladlouni is apparently a big fan of spamming other people's forums.
academicplagiarism.com
Eladlouni, Rachid
41-29 46th street
3M
Sunnyside, New York 11104
United States
(718) 898-7461
rachidny@gmail.com
The domain suddenly began using "ownership privacy" on February 7, 2010 after having been public since October, 2009.
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Edited by: WritersBeware Apr 18, 10, 01:05PM
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According to public records, "41-29 46th Street [2], #3m" is some sort of apartment or condo.
News story:
http://www.nytimes.com/1988/04/12/nyregion/police-discover-2-women-slain-in -apartments.html
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| WRT |
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Apr 18, 10, 01:09PM
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Hats off, WB :)
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Edited by: academicplagiarism Apr 18, 10, 01:55PM
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Very impressive. I really admire your investigative skills. You were able to dig out a murder story in my building from 1988. That's frightening! Well, the public records you were able to retrieve are all correct and I'm the proud resident of Sunnyside NY (it's Queens), one of the most beautiful and culturally diverse neighborhoods in New York. You should come visit some day :-)
In any case, academicplagiarism.com provides a quality service regardless of where its founder lives, I hope! Please open a free account and get a sense of how our plagiarism application works...and don't worry, the site IP address has never witnessed a murder !!!
Thank you.
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Apr 18, 10, 02:06PM
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I'm not spamming, I'm just sharing a resource of interest to readers of this forum. If I breached your forum policy, please feel free to delete my entire post.
Thank you.
Rachid
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Edited by: academicplagiarism Apr 18, 10, 02:26PM
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Let me add a few things about myself here to make easier for you.
1- I am an instructional technologist, not some goofball who knows how to do whois search.
2- I am a creative individual who runs a legitimate business and has the will and the talent to develop a highly sophisticated plagiarism application, not some goofball who knows how to do whois search.
I'll stop here. Email me if you need more...
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Edited by: WritersBeware Apr 18, 10, 06:10PM
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academicplagiarism: I'm not spamming
Please don't insult us by intentionally playing stupid. The ONLY reason why you are SPAMMING your junk is to get people to use your PAID service. Do you really think that your "free" label gets you a "free" pass to SPAM? Think again.
Next time, don't be selfish and take the time to read a forum's rules:
9. The EssayScam Forum (that includes the private message system) is not a place for advertisements or publicity in any way. EssayScam and its moderators have the sole discretion to determine what constitutes an advertisement. Violators may be temporarily or permanently suspended.
10. Posts that provide no content other than advertisements may be deleted.
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Edited by: WritersBeware Apr 18, 10, 06:16PM
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academicplagiarism: I am a creative individual
Hardly.
academicplagiarism: who runs a legitimate business
Legitimate business people do not SPAM.
academicplagiarism: highly sophisticated plagiarism application
Give me a break. Such applications are a dime a dozen. Any moron with remedial PHP skills can create a plagiarism scanner, especially one like yours that merely uses an API to access Google and Yahoo. In fact, you're probably the 3rd or 4th "goofball" to SPAM his "free" (not really) plagiarism scanner in this forum. They paid the price for spamming, and so will you, if you continue.
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Sep 2, 10, 03:47PM
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i do have access to turnitin but once i submit my paper, it'll be in the database already. so i'm not sure if they do checks for people without storing their papers.
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| WRT |
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Sep 2, 10, 03:53PM
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carol_taki: i do have access to turnitin but once i submit my paper, it'll be in the database already. so i'm not sure if they do checks for people without storing their papers.
They won't store it if you UNcheck the STORE IN REPOSITORY box.
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Sep 2, 10, 04:06PM
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oh okay. I didn't know that. Cause I've been using Turnitin with the password etc from my school.
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| FreelanceWriter |
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Sep 2, 10, 04:22PM
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WRT: They won't store it if you UNcheck the STORE IN REPOSITORY box.
I've never used any of those services but I know all the legit essay companies have their own proprietary versions to check the work. How do you know that you can trust that the commercial plagiarism scanners will honor what the check-box says it does?
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| WRT |
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Sep 3, 10, 05:03AM
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FreelanceWriter: How do you know that you can trust that the commercial plagiarism scanners will honor what the check-box says it does?
I've often wondered about that, FW. There is no way for us to really know, is there? I guess I'm assuming that iParadigms would not want any more bad publicity or lawsuits - bound to happen (I think) if it violates the customer's `no-storage demand.' But, at the end of the day, you are right - we do not know.
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May 16, 11, 01:54AM
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humble: And most importantly it is illegal to send automated searches to Google. Any tool doing so is illegal.
As far as I know almost all plagiarism checkers use Google API and that it absolutely legal. You are quite right, Google's API doesn't search all Google properties so the results are inaccurate.
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| asif_1979 |
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Sep 12, 11, 05:48AM
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Does anybody have idea about this site : http://www.dustball.com/cs/plagiarism.checker/
It allows free checking of small write-up (may be upto 2-3 paragraphs), and if you purchase the monthly cost is $ 8. It appears to be cheap than turnitin.com, if you have long article or have more than one article to check. I am not sure about the quality or reliability of www.dustball.com
Can anybody give me some more information about this site?
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| MeoKhan |
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Sep 12, 11, 04:18PM
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Dustball.Com is quite reliable I guess. It is used by teachers from around the world and is considered a best pick for no bucks. I am not sure what specific information you're looking for.
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| asif_1979 |
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Sep 13, 11, 02:34AM
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@ MeoKhan: Thanks. I am mainly concerned about two specific things of the software: efficiency (it can detect possible plagiarism) and reliability (my write-up will not be leaked). From your reply I think I got answer to both.
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| MeoKhan |
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Sep 13, 11, 08:38AM
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As far as my experience is concerned, yes, the DustBall service is reliable. However, I am not saying others have the same experience or opinion. It's actually a handy substitute for the subscription-based TurnItIn.
You might want to go through the following book and a research article: these sources discuss these two services and provide loads of information regarding plagiarism and issues related to plagiarism:
Sonneborn, L. (2011). Frequently asked questions about plagiarism. New York: Rosen Publishing Group Inc.
Vij, R., Soni, N. K., & Makhdumi, G. (2009). Encouraging Academic honesty through anti-plagiarism software. 7th International CALIBER 2009.
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