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Dear P, WB, and any other writers like them:
You are native writers of the English language. However, I am surprised to note your shallow knowledge of the recent research going on around the world on ENGLISH itself.
Before you can further your comments on the differences a non-native writer's English shows from that of your (say American English), you should read a few entries in an international journal called World Englishes: http://www.iaweworks.org/journal.php.
I hope if you are ready for a paradigm change (co-construction of knowledge), you'll see what is actually at play.
Regards
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| pheelyks |
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Apr 21, 11, 03:29PM
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meoKhan-
Until you can learn to write a grammatically correct sentence, which is something for which objective standards exist, I am done debating this with you. The issue has nothing to do with racism, culturalism, or what research is being done in regards to the state of the language today. This issue is about whether or not information can be presented in English in a clear and concise manner; anyone that can do this, regardless of their national/racial/native language status has a place in this business. Anyone who can't shouldn't be charging money for such a service without letting their customers know about their limitations. That is and was the sole point of the argument.
Here's a very simple sentence for you to start with: Go **** yourself.
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Apr 21, 11, 04:18PM
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pheelyks: Go **** yourself.
Yes, MeoCon, our parents taught us how to use asterisks.
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| MeoKhan |
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Apr 22, 11, 02:53PM
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pheelyks: without letting their customers know
I have told you many times I say it out that I am an ESL writer from Pakistan. I have written many a paper for US citizens. They've been quite happy with my work. Why do you then always repeat the same thing?
On this forum my Location is clearly given as Pakistan. I have nothing to hide. Whatever I am, people can see me.
One thing is very clear: You guys can only swear. You call yourself writers but you have no background in research - yes, it's the fact. In this way, it's actually you who is cheating the customers only because you belong to the swearing society of the US.
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| MeoKhan |
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Apr 22, 11, 02:54PM
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WritersBeware: parents taught us
No, no, no. Dear WB you're being so humble. Just say it out loud that your parents taught you swear words, and you use these with them all the day. Everyone knows it!
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| MeoKhan |
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Apr 22, 11, 02:55PM
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You will spend all your time in underestimating my posts here. But I know you'll NEVER bother to read even one journal entry from World Englishes because you don't want a kick in your behind. LOL!
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| pheelyks |
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Apr 22, 11, 04:04PM
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MeoKhan: I have told you many times I say it out that I am an ESL writer from Pakistan.
Good. That means you don't cheat anyone. It doesn't mean that you write as well as a well-educated native speaker, or a truly fluent foreign speaker.
MeoKhan: I have written many a paper for US citizens. They've been quite happy with my work
Then they were either naturalized citizens or too stupid to tell the difference between EFL and fluent writing.
MeoKhan: You guys can only swear
Wrong, fucktard. I do swear, but I also post reasoned and rational arguments to your statements and the sources you've posted. You have failed to respond to these, focusing only on the swearing. That's your hangup, not mine.
MeoKhan: You call yourself writers but you have no background in research - yes, it's the fact.
You have no idea what my background is. You don't get a 4.0 earning multiple degrees without knowing how to do a little research.
MeoKhan: You will spend all your time in underestimating my posts here.
Not really...they're either so simplistic that a ten year old could formulate the same thoughts, or so unintelligible that it isn;t worth the time spent guessing.
MeoKhan: But I know you'll NEVER bother to read even one journal entry from World Englishes
Post the article here and I'll read it. I've read everything else you've posted, and responded to it, and that's where the conversation always dies....
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| MeoKhan |
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Apr 23, 11, 01:32AM
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pheelyks: earning multiple degrees
You may have knowledge in your area but about research on language you know nothing but still you give your verdicts so strongly as to sound like Pop.
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| MeoKhan |
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Apr 23, 11, 01:33AM
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pheelyks: a well-educated native speaker
Now, this is narrow-mindedness once again. I have already posted the material on Standard American English (community-based norms).
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| MeoKhan |
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Apr 23, 11, 01:35AM
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pheelyks: also post reasoned and rational arguments
Yes you do everything right. You're perfect and your sister WB is with you! I am always wrong.
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| MeoKhan |
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Apr 23, 11, 01:36AM
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pheelyks: either naturalized citizens or too stupid to tell the difference between EFL and fluent writing
All the members on this forum MUST read this statement and figure out the person P really is!!!
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| MeoKhan |
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Apr 23, 11, 01:38AM
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pheelyks: Post the article here
Now you're asking me to violate copyright law! The real you is in front of everyone now!!! I cannot do that.
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| MeoKhan |
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Apr 23, 11, 01:40AM
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pheelyks: Post the article
I have given you all the details about the journal; if you care to know more about this world, it's you who should go and read.
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| pheelyks |
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Apr 23, 11, 08:34AM
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MeoKhan: You may have knowledge in your area but about research on language you know nothing
Apparently I know more than you do, because I can actually understand what the articles you posted were talking about.
MeoKhan: I have already posted the material on Standard American English (community-based norms).
Yes. And what you posted stated that all communities have language norms. The fact that Standard American English exists and is preferred in use at universities, in business, etc. does not make Americans racist--it makes them like every other culture in the world when it comes to language.
MeoKhan: Yes you do everything right. You're perfect and your sister WB is with you! I am always wrong.
I never said anything remotely like this, and have openly acknowledged mistakes when I have made them.
MeoKhan: All the members on this forum MUST read this statement and figure out the person P really is!!!
Attention Forum: Who I REALLY am is a person that believes MeoKhan's writing is decent for a non-native speaker, but someone you should stay away from if you want model essays completed in fluent English. This belief of mine makes MeoKhan's rectum hurt, so he comes here to complain.
MeoKhan: Now you're asking me to violate copyright law!
Fair use, dumbass, and with attribution you don't even need the fair use protection. Besides, you've already posted many article excerpts, meaning that you already broke the law (if this were actually breaking the law). MeoKhan: 0. Real World: 2 (this round).
MeoKhan: I have given you all the details about the journal
You have given the title of the journal. Is there a specific article in it that you think proves your point (although frankly, I'm not entirely sure what your point is)?
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| MeoKhan |
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Apr 26, 11, 06:26AM
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pheelyks: I can actually understand what the articles
This is why I call you Pheelyks the Socrates! America should be proud of you - the perfect scholar knowing everything!
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| MeoKhan |
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Apr 26, 11, 06:28AM
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pheelyks: never said anything remotely like this
And you NEVER, NEVER accept yourself mistaken. How balanced!
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| MeoKhan |
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Apr 26, 11, 06:29AM
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pheelyks: is preferred in use
Now take this statement to someone teaching language in a US university; you'll be surprised to see how flawed your claim is!
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| MeoKhan |
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Apr 26, 11, 06:30AM
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pheelyks: you should stay away
Yes! Everyone stay away from me. P is the highest authority on essay writing!
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| MeoKhan |
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Apr 26, 11, 06:31AM
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When did your mom teach you this swear word? You've mastered all these very well and you and your sister WB deserve appreciation!
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| MeoKhan |
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Apr 26, 11, 06:34AM
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pheelyks: what your point is
My point is - US English is just one variety and is not superior to any other. This understanding is well grounded in US universities even (you must investigate this).
Would it be better if I refer a book to you on the same point because a book is more comprehensive? Let me know.
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| pheelyks |
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Apr 26, 11, 09:21AM
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MeoCrap, you keep using use the same tired arguments and assertions that I've countered numerous other times. I acknowledge my mistakes when I make them, never claimed to be perfect, and though US English is not "superior" to other languages it is quite rightly the objective standard for language used in US universities.
Until you have something new to add, I'm done actually trying to discuss anything.
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| MeoKhan |
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Apr 27, 11, 10:02AM
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pheelyks: Until you have something new to add, I'm done actually trying to discuss anything
Yes, Sir! As I said earlier, I will cite some interesting references to how US universities treat ESL/EFL varieties and what research is saying about all this.
Warm regards
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| MeoKhan |
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Apr 27, 11, 10:03AM
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LOL! Childhood learning never leaves one.
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Apr 27, 11, 11:23AM
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MeoKhan: As I said earlier, I will cite some interesting references to how US universities treat ESL/EFL varieties and what research is saying about all this.
You keep threatening to do so—STFU and do it already, dipshit!
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| pheelyks |
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Apr 27, 11, 01:06PM
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MeoKhan: Childhood learning never leaves one.
...and is never obtained by some, apparently.
MeoKhan: I will cite some interesting references to how US universities treat ESL/EFL
You mena, giving them poorer grades when they can't construct grammatically correct sentences in English classes? Yowza!
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| MeoKhan |
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Apr 28, 11, 04:10AM
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Huh?
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| MeoKhan |
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Apr 28, 11, 04:12AM
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pheelyks: giving them poorer grades
LOL! Maybe yes. But then your statement manifests US universities as being money-centered rather than quality education.
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| pheelyks |
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Apr 28, 11, 09:52AM
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MeoKhan: pheelyks: mena Huh?
Wow. You caught another typo. Congratulations.
MeoKhan: LOL! Maybe yes. But then your statement manifests US universities as being money-centered rather than quality education.
No, it doesn't--how did you manage to make that leap in logic?
Also, statements don't "manifest" things unless you know of conjuring spells that I don't.
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| queen sheba |
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Feb 29, 12, 11:20AM
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WritersBeware: Yes, MeoCon, our parents taught us how to use asterisks.
I love this!
MeoKhan, what do you have to say?
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| queen sheba |
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Feb 29, 12, 11:25AM
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pheelyks: Attention Forum: Who I REALLY am is a person that believes MeoKhan's writing is decent for a non-native speaker, but someone you should stay away from if you want model essays completed in fluent English. This belief of mine makes MeoKhan's rectum hurt, so he comes here to complain.
I agree with you 100%.
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Feb 29, 12, 02:12PM
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You may want to pay attention to the dates on the posts, moron. All disagreements have long since been resolved, as Meo reveals his true location and qualifications to customers BEFORE they pay.
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| queen sheba |
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Mar 2, 12, 09:37PM
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pheelyks: Attention Forum: Who I REALLY am is a person that believes MeoKhan's writing is decent for a non-native speaker, but someone you should stay away from if you want model essays completed in fluent English. This belief of mine makes MeoKhan's rectum hurt, so he comes here to complain.
Thank you for pointing out that your stooge Meokhan is a horrible writer.
Now i demand that you say the same thing about yourself.
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| pheelyks |
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queen sheba: Thank you for pointing out that your stooge Meokhan is a horrible writer.
I didn't say that at all. Did you read what you quoted?
queen sheba: Now i demand
Gee....no.
Wow. You demands are pretty ineffective, aren't they? Is it depressing to be such an impotent twat?
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WritersBeware: Meo reveals his true location and qualifications to customers BEFORE they pay.
do you have proof?
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| pheelyks |
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Mar 3, 12, 10:18AM
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editor75: do you have proof?
Meo openly acknowledges his country of origin on this forum, and claims to tell his customers elsewhere, as well. Do you have any evidence to the contrary?
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pheelyks: Meo openly acknowledges his country of origin on this forum, and claims to tell his customers elsewhere
I like this statement better without the "as well."
the truth is that no one has proof about what Meo tells his clients. you can maybe fill in the blanks, but no one knows.
I assume WB is off drumming up some "proof;" I'm sure we'll chat again the next time I ask him a direct question. till then.
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Mar 3, 12, 05:35PM
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editor75: I like this statement better without the "as well."
Why, because you're a f*cking clueless idiot? Why don't you educate us by explaining exactly what is wrong with it?
editor75: the truth is that no one has proof about what Meo tells his clients.
As far as I know, Meo has acquired some clients via this forum. Those clients were fully aware of Meo's location and ESL background BEFORE paying. THAT is proof, as*hole.
Just because you're a fan of chicks with dicks doesn't mean you can label me as a male. Keep your fetishes in the closet.
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Mar 3, 12, 07:01PM
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WritersBeware: As far as I know, Meo has acquired some clients via this forum.
as far as you know isn't proof of what they knew, or what Meo told his clients. you can say anything you want on the internet. it's funny that you're so insane about proof to others, WB, but when called, you can't produce.
WBS-- no proof. and it's not even your BS!
WritersBeware: Just because you're a fan of chicks with dicks doesn't mean you can label me as a male. Keep your fetishes in the closet.
as far as I know, I've never run into a lady who default-insults "fuckin' pussy," "chicks with dicks" type stuff. that sounds to me more like the homo-aggressive, anti-social ranting style of a male owner/manager with no social skills. don't worry, though, you can be whatever you want on the internet... proof not required.
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| pheelyks |
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Mar 3, 12, 07:51PM
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editor75: the truth is that no one has proof about what Meo tells his clients
Right. So I give him the benefit of the doubt, given that he's honest here, and you decide to mistrust him because you're an irrational asshole.
There you go again!
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editor75: it's funny that you're so insane about proof to others, WB, but when called, you can't produce.
I can easily prove any substantive claim that I have ever made in this forum.
editor75: as far as you know isn't proof
editor75: as far as I know, I've never run into a lady who default-insults "fuckin' pussy," "chicks with dicks" type stuff.
Contradictory hypocrisy (in the same post, ta boot) at its finest . . . . The moron can't keep his lies straight from one sentence to the next. SNL couldn't produce a funnier skit.
Meo has obtained clients in this forum. That is a fact. What is also a fact is that Meo has publicly revealed his location and ESL background in this forum.
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