Can a writer who is not a native English speaker proofread essays written in English?

Can anyone tell if a writer that is not a native english speaker will be able to proof read essays?

Can anyone tell if a writer that is not a native english speaker will be able to proof read essays?

omeone in this forum (FB or WB) will call you the F word.

FABULOUS

Nobody can be fabulous for an egomaniac like you.

it depends, but i guess most of the time, they can't write well

didn't your mother ever teach you to say something nice, or nothing at all?

Things editor75 can't recognize:
1) rational arguments
2) irony

But you can, i suppose.

Can anyone tell if a writer that is not a native english speaker will be able to proof read essays?

simple test will be the answer to your question

Or advice from Yoda.

It is a bit hard. It is what I'm experiencing right now. T.T english is not my native language but since I am trying to explain something I end up being psycho.

I disagree. An advice from Yoda would be something like:

I'm trying to sell my services as a freelance writer but have poor writing skills in the English language.

Can anyone tell if a writer that is not a native english speaker will be able to proof read essays?

Of course. I find many teachers whose first language is English are so shabby in their language. Although generally a person who speaks English from birth is supposed to have better knowledge of English language, this isn't true always.

It's much more about customers' wanting their work written by someone who sounds like they do in their written "voice." It's not really as much about English language knowledge or even grammatic perfection. There's no question that many ESL's (those who speak English fluently, that is) actually have better grammar than most ordinary educated Americans. It's the myriad different idiomatic expressions and other quirks of colloquial native speakers that ESLs frequently get wrong, and (especially) the ones that they add that native speakers would never use that makes even pretty good ESL writing very recognizable to Americans as ESL. It really is very much the same type of thing as an "accent" in spoken language and most American customers don't want their written work written in any foreign accent, regardless of how good the grammar or even the substantive work is.

No, I don't believe you understood me at all if your conclusion was that ESLs have any "advantage" from the view of the American customer or the American student choosing a writer.

No American customer and no American student wants to buy any writing produced by anybody who doesn't sound the way we do in our written "voice."

This is an absolute statement that has no basis at all if my experience with native English Speaker clients is anything to go by. I have quite a number of clients, most of who come from this forum and have therefore been reading and almost falling (or expected to believe) that ESL writers have inferior writing abilities compared to their opposites. Let us be clear. What majority of clients want is someone to do the legwork for them which is that of researching and creating a piece of work that conforms to requirements. In fact, you have been working for a company that insists that it only creates "model papers" that are not supposed to be handed over as one's work for credit in an academic institution. Let us assume for argument's sake that this is absolutely true and so the paper I write will only be used as a basis for creating the final paper. So if this student can read what I am writing on the email, why can't the same be true for the "model paper" I create. I think this argument against ESL writers is just some sort of attempt to try lock them out of the market through customer apathy. However, I am aware that in our midst as ESL writers, we have those who need to try their talents elsewhere but that cannot justify the argument that all of them should not be in the writing business. How comes none of the clients I have approached has asked whether I am a native speaker or not? This is in spite of a good number of them being native speakers. I think the whole debate is just advanced as a matter of convenience; it is not a sincere attempt to provide customers with the right information they need to make the right decisions.

What majority of clients want is someone to do the legwork for them which is that of researching and creating a piece of work that conforms to requirements.

Freelance Writer, do you think native speakers cannot recognize ESL writers by reading their emails? What about this Marsvictor? Do you think people like him can write a consistent paragraph in email so that customers get trapped easily? There is no point of asking writers if they are ESL or native speakers because American writers can easily judge their status and writing skills in no time for they do not sound like them. Of course, when a customer asks me where I am located at, I do not lie because I know the person is more concerned about not being scammed than the country of origin of the writer. Never did a customer reject me when I disclose that I am an ESL writer. I believe this to be correct.

Freelance Writer, do you think native speakers cannot recognize ESL writers by reading their emails?

One of them has repeatedly made the ridiculous argument on this forum that nobody should expect them to be honest if it means the possibe failure to get clients who prefer native English speakers as writers.

You are totally confused with cohesion, consistency and diversity.

obvious failures like MarsVictor, who has no right communicating in written English until he brushes up on subject-verb agreement, countable vs. non-countable nouns, a/an/the, and other English basics. Ignoring these basics, which most elementary school level Native English speakers have long since mastered, will throw off any college-level professor-- especially if you ignore the basics of the language in favor of forced, artificially flowery, incorrect English.

Freelance Writer, do you think native speakers cannot recognize ESL writers by reading their emails? What about this Marsvictor? Do you think people like him can write a consistent paragraph in email so that customers get trapped easily? There is no point of asking writers if they are ESL or native speakers because American writers can easily judge their status and writing skills in no time for they do not sound like them. Of course, when a customer asks me where I am located at, I do not lie because I know the person is more concerned about not being scammed than the country of origin of the writer. Never did a customer reject me when I disclose that I am an ESL writer. I believe this to be correct.

I have the feeling you'd be happy with them wearing arm-bands, you fascist.

Precisely, Marsvictor is an idiot who could not even understand sarcasm in my posts in which I was offering him a dissertation for $50.