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Kathryn McKay fraud
Matt
Reg: May 1, 07
Posts: 8
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 May 1, 07, 09:24AM    ¦ #1

Kathryn McKay.
email address - missholand@****
phone number - *****6816
IP address - ***.***.204.49

Studying Geography/Business in London area.

Bought essay titled "The economical impact of the redevelopment of Paddington Basin on the local and business establishment that surrounds it. "

Watch out, she is a fraudster.

rav_london
Reg: Apr 25, 07
Posts: 21
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 May 1, 07, 08:30PM    ¦ #2

what happened with her matt, didnt she pay or something????

Matt
Reg: May 1, 07
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 May 2, 07, 04:31AM    ¦ #3

She had the essay then, after recieving it, she waited 2 months before having a chargeback put on her card. PayPal agreed and took £840 from our PayPal account and basically gave it her back. Great!

rav_london
Reg: Apr 25, 07
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 May 2, 07, 02:13PM    ¦ #4

Matt,

What company you write for?

Matt
Reg: May 1, 07
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 May 2, 07, 04:03PM    ¦ #5

I work for powerfulwords.co.uk and oxbridgewriters.com. I uploaded a fraud page today on Powerful Words so, fingers crossed, this fraudster will get caught by her university.

WritersBeware
Reg: Apr 19, 07
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 May 2, 07, 04:20PM    ¦ #6

I would like to read her side of the story. I think it's very unprofessional to do what you did.

Matt
Reg: May 1, 07
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 May 3, 07, 03:58AM    ¦ #7

Well, I emailed her three times, phoned around four times leaving messages asking her if it was a mistake and trying to discover what was happening. She never responded though seemed to be able to recieve messages fine from PayPal when they tried to contact her. We take CARD FRAUD (which this is) very seriously. I told her exactly what was going to happen and she ignored me completely. I'll give you her side of the story now if you wish. She orders an essay for £840, recieves it and is very happy, waits two months, charges the payment back to her card, has the essay and the money back, has name put on web to expose what has happened.

Matt.

Torchwood
Reg: Jan 2, 07
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 May 3, 07, 04:14AM    ¦ #8

Matt,

The client's personal information (name, hone number etc) are all protected under the UK Data Protection Act regardless of whether you think she scammed you.

If she makes a complaint to the Information Commissioner you will lose a lot more than the £840 you've already lost on the essay. She can also claim compensation through the courts from you and from Powerful Words Limited for data protection breaches.

If you want to devalue the essay then by all means post it all over the internet. It's not good business sense though to expose yourself and the company you write for to investigation by the Information Commissioner and possible prosecution / litigation.

There is also another side to this in that prospective clients will see that Paypal backed your client in this dispute and initiated the chargeback; it's unlikely that they did this without her making a strong claim against you / your company. I suspect that seeking to expose / humiliate your client in this way will hurt you and your company far more than it hurts her.

WritersBeware
Reg: Apr 19, 07
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 May 3, 07, 04:56AM    ¦ #9

Exactly. Who wants to hire a vengeful service?

Doesn't matter. Too late now.

Matt
Reg: May 1, 07
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 May 3, 07, 06:43AM    ¦ #10

This will be my final post in response to 'WritersBeware' inane questions. It has nothing to with being vengeful, what the client did was ILLEGAL and she was given plenty of opportunity to respond to the emails she was sent by the company. In response to Torchwood, I don't think she scammed us, I know she did. PayPal didn't 'back' her claim, her card company proved she 'wasn't present' when she paid, as it was a phone payment that is glaringly obvious.

I am not trying to humiliate her, if she had taken £840 from you I doubt you'd be sitting back thinking "tut-tut, I hope this doesn't hurt me in any way." Also, as she is refusing to answer any calls or respond to any emails I'd assume she has done this before and changes email addresses and phone numbers on regular occasions. The essay has been uploaded on our Powerful Words website so, hopefully, her university will discover it.

As for breaching the data protection act, well, she has a limited right under the Data Protection Act to tell an individual or organisation to stop processing information about her if it is causing her unwarranted and substantial damage or distress. She should make this clear and it must be done in writing. I'll put her response on this forum should get a letter to me.

Matt.

Torchwood
Reg: Jan 2, 07
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 May 3, 07, 09:21AM    ¦ #11

If what she did was illegal then file a police report and pursue her through the small claims court. Breaching her privacy in this way puts you firmly in the wrong.

It is not necessary for this person to make a complaint about your behaviour to the Information Commissioner, anyone (even if they are not directly affected) can make a complaint if they know that a company is breaching the data protection act.

I don't accept that she got a chargeback simply on the basis that the cardholder was not present; if this was the case, every mail order or internet company would be awash with such claims and quickly put out of business. She may have disputed making the transaction or authorising the transaction but that is a different matter altogether.

I'm sorry that you have lost money on this but your behaviour in these posts demonstrates your lack of business acumen. Perhaps this is an opportunity for you to wise-up and check out your clients more thoroughly before accepting orders. Many of the established UK essay companies won't accept orders that cannot be verified with a residential address and landline and many use companies such as Experian to check their clients identity before accepting orders.

Matt
Reg: May 1, 07
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 May 3, 07, 10:01AM    ¦ #12

Are we still on about this matter! Her details are on-line, the essay is available for universities to see and expel her for plagiarism, the Police won't investigate as they haven't the recourses to help (I have spoken to them) and we're currently in the process of changing to a decent system to accept payments as PayPal is clearly not secure. You can accept what you want as you don't know the full story and, if she wants to make a complaint, she is more than welcome. We'll see if she comes forward shall we? I doubt very much that a fraudster is going to try and play the 'breaching privacy' card. Maybe if more companies exposed fraudulent clients and those breaking the law there would be a lot less of this behaviour. I'm quite surprised that someone who writes so vigilantly on this website is championing the case of a criminal. I'll leave you to trawl the site looking for posts to add your views. As I have more important things to do than argue the toss with you I'll end this topic here. Oh, before I go, thanks to Dylan for getting in contact with me, what you said was very helpful.

Major
Reg: Oct 3, 06
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 May 3, 07, 10:10AM    ¦ #13

Quoting: Torchwood, Post #11
I don't accept that she got a chargeback simply on the basis that the cardholder was not present; if this was the case, every mail order or internet company would be awash with such claims and quickly put out of business.

Well, you should accept that because it's true. The laws are against Internet merchants; if the card is not present, the client may make up any excuse to do a chargeback.

I personally agree with "Matt" and I'm sure essay writing companies would not like to deal with such clients. If you were a car dealer and someone told you that your prospective client is a bank robber, would you still sell him the car? I wouldn't. I see she used an anonymous email address (not even her first/last name in the email) so I don't see how it could be revealing her personal information.

Torchwood
Reg: Jan 2, 07
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 May 3, 07, 10:27AM    ¦ #14

Major, the data protection act is very strict in the UK and is weighted towards the protection of personal information. If Matt had simply posted the essay or the email address then he'd be okay but he didn't - he was stupid and posted her full name and she can be identified by this.

I agree with Matt that it is doubtful that she will file a complaint. I might on the other hand as his antics annoy me.

Some information is public and accessible by all. For example, company information is public. So I can post that the Director of Powerful Words Limited is Edward Longhurst of 6 Ashbourne Close, Dawley, Shropshire TF4 2QR and the company secretary is Matthew Pledger of Flat 32, Meadow Drive, Shifnal, Shropshire TF11 9AD. This information is part of the company's public registration information, together with these people's dates of birth and the company director's own anonymous e-mail address (milkytip1981@yahoo.co.uk).

I'm sure essay companies don't like dealing with fraudsters - even though they theselves are enabling academic fraud - but that doesn't give them the freedom to break the law to get back at them. There are legitimate channels available.

If Matt's company had been a registered company for more than six months they may have sussed out before now that the essay business is prone to fraud and it is important to be vigilant before accepting the order. I'm sure this has been a salutory lesson for him.

Major
Reg: Oct 3, 06
Posts: 246
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 May 3, 07, 10:37AM    ¦ #15

The problem is the merchant protection act doesn't exist or is too weak, so the merchant should have the right to find their own ways to deal with fraudulent clients.

Dylan
Reg: Aug 15, 06
Posts: 139
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 May 3, 07, 10:39AM    ¦ #16

Quoting: Matt, Post #12
Oh, before I go, thanks to Dylan for getting in contact with me, what you said was very helpful.


I'm glad my message helped. Are you the same Matt Pledger who went to Thames Valley Uni?

Torchwood
Reg: Jan 2, 07
Posts: 26
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 May 3, 07, 10:49AM    ¦ #17

Quoting: Major, Post #15
The problem is the merchant protection act doesn't exist or is too weak, so the merchant should have the right to find their own ways to deal with fraudulent clients.


Legal ways, Major.

Quoting: Dylan, Post #16
I'm glad my message helped. Are you the same Matt Pledger who went to Thames Valley Uni?


It would be interesting to know if any of the multitude of 'Oxbridge' essay companies that have sprung up are run by anyone with a direct connection with either Oxford or Cambridge. I've not come across one yet!

Major
Reg: Oct 3, 06
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| Edited by: Major May 3, 07, 11:03AM    ¦ #18

Quoting: Torchwood, Post #17
Legal ways, Major.

What "legal" ways would you propose? Hopefully not spending £1000 in legal or collection fees to get £840 back..

Torchwood
Reg: Jan 2, 07
Posts: 26
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 May 3, 07, 11:25AM    ¦ #19

Quoting: Major, Post #18
What "legal" ways would you propose? Hopefully not spending £1000 in legal or collection fees to get £840 back..


In the UK we have the small claims court in which you can make a claim for up to £100k (almost $200k at today's exchange rates). The cost of making a claim for £840 would be £80 and you can add this cost to your claim. The claim system is very straightforward and the claim can be filed online with no expert knowledge, but if you do engage legal assistance you can also add this cost to your claim together with any other costs associated with making the claim. If you win your claim you can ask the court to enforce the judgment.

Major
Reg: Oct 3, 06
Posts: 246
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 May 3, 07, 11:44AM    ¦ #20

IF you win, you can still wait years for your money (most likely you would have to hire collection agency anyway).

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